Interviewed by Brian Disagree

Who is who, what do you do and how old are you?
Pat: Iím Pat, I play drums and I get sick.
Justin: Iím Justin Sane, I play guitar and sing and Iím nineteen.
Chris: Iím Chris, I play guitar. Iím nineteen and I get sicker than Pat.
Pat: We have Cock whoís in the band too...
Justin: But, sheís really sick right now...
Pat: But, sheís really sick, so sheís not here.
Your new record ďDie For Your GovernmentĒ which happens to be your first full length record is on New Red Archives, How did you guys hook up with one of the best punk rock labels in North America?
Justin: Wow...
Pat: Wow...You gotta tell Nicky that...
Justin: Well, we have these pictures of Nicky fucking with this really evil corporation head. So, we told him that weíre going to ruin him in the punk rock industry if we release these pictures of him fucking with this corporate head... I wonít mention who but this particular person heís from Exxon. So, we told Nicky that we were going to blackmail him, so he better put out a record for us.
And, thatís how it happened?
Justin: Yep.
Pat: Actually, we have a friend who knows Nicky at New Red and he gave him our tape, so itís not nearly that...
Youíve toured alot before this current tour and I was just wondering what differences do you see with the western punk scene and the eastern punk scene? I read this in MRR and I just wanted to say it over again...
Justin: The thing is in MR&R it really wasnít about that... I mean the kids on the west coast and east coast are great, there isnít much difference between the kids... But, thereís a difference with clubs and stuff, alot of the clubs on the west coast are bigger and in that idea alot more kids come out to the shows, well that isnít true either...
Do you think itís more corporate?
Justin: Honestly, I donít know.
Pat: Your just trying not to get into a fight, arenít ya?
Justin: Yeah, I am...
Pat: Thereís definitely a difference between the kids on the east coast and the kids on the west coast. Not neccesarily a good difference, not necessarily a bad difference... But, there is a difference. Howís that for a diplomatic answer?
Justin: We donít like any more then the other though, you know.
Pat: The cities in the NE are closer though which is alot better to play.
Justin: Right, I agree.
Pat: Howís that for an answer? Chris, what do you think about that one?
Chris: This is my first tour, I like every city. I have no problem with any of the cities. West coast, East coast... itís all the same to me.
Howís this tour going?
Justin: Great, weíre in Seattle... Itís alot of fun.
Pat: Until about two years ago, err until about two days ago. It seems like two years ago...† We had to drive 24 hours to getall so weíre all sick.
Was it worth it?
Pat: Oh yeah... Seattleís alot of fun.
Justin: Fuck yeah! Seattle's great.
Pat: The kids were really cool...
Justin: But, yeah it was definitely a long drive...
Chris: And, half of us were dying...
Justin: We're all sick, so...
Pat: So, that's the theme for this interview, is that we're all sick. So, we're going to get that into every question you ask us, we're going to put in we're sick, okay.
Justin: He's like alright.
I have autism, so it's kind-of hard for me to talk.
Justin: No, that's fine, you're doing very good...
Last summer in August you played in Vancouver, Canada with Submission Hold and DBS and I noticed a ton of teenage girls chasing after you, like you were U2 or something, asking for your autographs... I was just curious if this happened elsewhere and what do you think of this?
Justin: Well, the thing is, we have been asked to open for U2.
Have you really?
Justin: Yeah.
Pat: No, he's lying...
Justin: The kids are great everywhere you go...
Justin: It's true...† You always meet really nice kids... Some kids are kind of young or whatever, they want your autograph or something. We just tell them that we just think of ourselves as kids as well and nobody special so, we hate to give our autographs you know but... If kids really want them we'll swap autographs, we'll give them one and make them give us one, and we make it fun.
Pat: My issue with the autographs is that if your asking someone for their autograph it means† they're cooler then you are... And, my theory on what's going on is that what we do is that we're all sort of the same thing, except we have a louder voice because we have microphones, so if they get an autograph from us we get one from them too. It makes everybody more on the same plane. Cause, I have a whole notebook here of autographs from kids.
Do you seriously?
Justin and Pat: Yeah.
No way!
Justin and Pat: Yeah.
Pat: Whenever, a kid asks me for an autograph...
Justin: Because, we definetly not cooler than anybody...

Pat: There's Adam from Erie and Jenny and that's Big Lee and the Kill Kill Gangstas they're from Nashville, man they are insane kids. That kid didn't tell me where he was from but I got him. Two other kids that I can't read their autographs that was at the Atomic Cafe.
That's great.
Pat: Okay, alright... I was all excited, I was reading through this today about all the kids I got autographs from I was loving it, it was great. I'm sorry, I get excited over little things.
You seem to hate the rich, could you explain why this is? And, have you had bad experiences with people who are rich in the past? And, also what would you classify a typical rich person?
Justin: Well... The whole issue with "Kill The Rich" is the idea that basically weíre just really a seriously anti-war band and the way we see is that the rich... But the idea is that the rich benefit greatly off of wars, when weíre talking about the rich weíre talking about people who run corporations and people who influence the government and the way that they make alot of money off these wars is by selling war goods and the idea that they use nationalism to divide poor people who will fight in their wars, thatís why weíre called Anti-Flag. So when we say Kill the Rich, itís almost kind of like it doesnít make any sense for poor people to go out and slaughter each other and they gain nothing in the end except some broken hearts and the rich make alot of money so if youíre gonna kill somebody you may as well kill a rich fucking whore.
Punk has been around for a hell of a long time, do you think itís made this world a better place to live and how?
Justin: Absolutely.
Pat: Definetly.† We were just talking about this with Lonnie from The Bristles tonight, a Seattle band. Err, The other night it wasnít tonight. There are alot of kids who I know and who are out there and theyíre completely fucked up and they find a Black Flag record and their lives seem to get straightened out a little bit so I think thatís definetly a positive thing.
Justin: Yeah, I think it gives kids a positive direction and some positive ideas and you know it gave me a lot of positive ideas when I was young and I feel like I really benefited from them and it gave me alot of focus on maybe some good things I could do and yeah I think itís a great thing.
Pat: He said it, exactly...
Besides playing Punk Rock, burning the American flag and educating people with your music, what else do you do to make this cesspool of an earth a better place to live?
Justin: Well, I like to go to the beach with my girlfriend and my dog and we talk about things that make us very happy and it sends out a positive vibe, itís a really good thing...
Pat: I havenít done anything positive in the last two months, Iíve been sitting in a van doing nothing other than playing Punk Rock.
Justin: But, Chris is the corporate head at Little Ceasarís...
Are you the manager?
Chris: No, Iím the corporate head...
Ahh, corporate head, okay.
Justin: So, he makes the world a better place by making pizzas.
Iíve noticed a couple punks who go to shows n Vancouver, Canada who have no idea what punk is about. Do you think this is a big problem in the scene and how do you think we can show them that ignorance is not cool?
Justin: Well yeah, I mean itís a drag cause alot of kids they see punks on CHiPs, -which actually we just saw an episode of CHiPs the other day with punks on it, which was really funny... But they do† see punks on CHiPs and they think well those guys look cool and then they get a mohawk and they decide to† go to punk shows and they beat the fuck out of people and thatís really fucked up. The thing is alot of kids get into punk for the wrong reasons but I think after they hang out and theyíre around for a while they realize there is alot more to it.† Iíve seen alot of kids who came into punk with no idea what it was about and then find alot of positive things in it and end up being some of the coolest kids in the scene...† some of the kids who organize the most things and do alot of positive things. Yeah, it is a drag that some kids donít know whatís going on but there is always room for people to find out what is going on.
Pat: And, if theyíre kicking your head in, theyíre not finding out whatís going on.
Justin: And that sucks.
Pat: And that sucks.
Justin: This is a great interview by the way, those questions are really good.
Pat: Very good questions, well thought out.
Justin: Yeah. Sorry, weíre kind of in a silly mood...
Thatís okay.
Justin: Weíve been in the van for easily 24 hours if not 36 hours, so itís just like....
Yeah, I drove down from Canada and it took 3 hours or something...
Pat: Yeah, you know what weíre dealing with just on a smaller level.
Justin: But, weíre sorry if we have goofy answers and stuff, weíre losing our minds...
Alot of people who arenít into punk are pretty fucking stubborn and ignorant and canít see the real problems weíre faced with and just think itís natural.† How do you think we can get the mainstream society to at least think about what weíre saying instead of passing it off as bullshit?
Pat: I think we are doing that. By having shows like this, where thereís maybe 50 or 75 percent of the kids have been to another show but maybe 10 or 15 kids or whatever havenít been to a show before and they come into the show and go wow this cool and they bring their friends in...
Justin: And, maybe theyíll go out and make a positive change.
Pat: Yeah and thereís alot of kids who are coming in who are new to whatís going on and going home and watching TV figuring out what they think is crap, reading a book figuring out what they think is crap and hopefully theyíll make a change.
You guyís have started up your own label called ďA-F RecordsĒ , I was wondering if you guys have any upcoming projects planned for it and Does everyone in the band help out with it?
Justin: Well we really donít have any idea...
Pat: Weíre just working on that one...
What about that solo record you are going to be doing, or that record with your Dad?
Justin: Iím gonna do it, I really am. What itís going to be mostly, itís just going to be me singing and playing guitar... Itís not going to be anything like Anti-Flag really, itís kind of in a totally different direction. I wish the songs I was doing and stuff I could do with Anti-Flag cause if they were kind of in the same direction as Anti-Flag I would, but theyíre not really... whatís the word.
Pat: In the same direction.
Justin: Yeah, theyíre not really compatible with what weíre doing... But, I do still consider it Punk Rock and punk based and the message is the same alot. But, as far as A-F Records goes yeah weíre gonna to do something, we donít know what. I get the feeling everybody will be involved. It was originally my idea and I didnít really ask anybody for help, but I hope that they will help me out. Hopefully, weíll do some local bands and some of our own stuff, weíll see...
Alot of people seem to think whatever money they make at a job or whatever is theirs and they shouldnít have to give a cent to anyone like the poor or whatever. What do you think this mentality and what do you think we could do about it?
Justin: Well, I think thatís really sad that there is a really conservative streak in this country. The whole idea of capitalism is to fuck everybody else to get as much as you can, so it makes sense that people think like that but it is very sad. As far as what can be done about it, I think the idea of just playing songs and talking to kids at shows and sometimes demonstrations and civil action like that and trying to make people aware of why it benefits them to help other people and also just that thereís alot more important things than accumulating as much wealth as you possibly can.
Pat: We can also explain to them game theory. In the game theory the best case scenario is when everybody cooperates but that probably wouldnít work either. If you want game theory explained to you, you can write to me and Iíll give you my best college try.
At the rate us dumb humans are supplying corporations with billions of dollars yearly, do you think weíll ever be able to take back this earth from their control before they kill us all?
Justin: Doubt it.
Pat: I have to agree with him.
Justin: I think we can do as much as we can to make it so that they donít get more out of control then they are, but until there is a violent revolution and theyíre all killed, I donít think that things will change very much.
Pat: Chris says yes...
Justin: Which means that we have to kill Chris because heís the head of Little Caesars.
Chris: No, Little Caesarís are on the front lines in the revolution.
Justin: Theyíre covert corporation.
Last night I read on the internet that N.A.S.A. will be sending a space shuttle into space filled with plutonium. When you hear something like this, what do you think?
Justin: I think, weíre fucked.
Pat: I didnít get a chance to hear that one before so I really have no comment on that one. Is that a new plan? I havenít heard that...
Some people are protesting in Florida about it. <2nd hand information at this time>
Pat: Isnít that going to be great, when that thing goes up into the air and explodes?
Justin: Thatís very scary. Because,† I definetly would not want a space shuttle full of radiation taking off near my home.
The earth will be dead.
Justin: Thatís bad, that is.
Justin: Yeah.
When it comes to a song like Fuck Police Brutality, is this something that has happened to you guys personally or have you guys just seen it happen to other punks?
Pat: We thought it was a clever song, we heard that Fuck Police Brutality is cool...
Justin: Yeah, we thought it was really punk. No, uhmm almost everything on the CD is almost stuff that always seemed to happen to us. It was funny because somebody pointed out to us the other night, they said; ďAlot of your songs are really cliche, the topics are kind of cliche.Ē Weíre like yeah... He asked us how we came up with the topics for those songs, and we said Well, Gosh, almost all that stuff has happened to us. But, that particular song was about a time one of our friends at a show was beat up by the cops for no reason at all, it was really stupid and the cops ended up pulling a gun on me too, and it was a really crazy night, and thatís what that whole song was influenced by.
Do you think if punk rock was in the mainstream forever, Would it open alot of peoples minds or do you think it would it backfire in our face with fashion punks, ignorance, capitalists and so on?
Pat: Thatís a big issue that weíre dealing with now and have dealt with in the last year of whether punk rock is supposed to be, Iím going to take your argument a take it a little farther. Wether punk rock is supposed to be an elitist clique where only the cool people get to hang out or wether itís supposed to be a place with open arms and where we want to pull in more and more people to...
We do for sure, but I think weíd pull in more ignorance.....
Pat: However, in the end are we thinking people are good or people are bad and if weíre saying we want to be an elitist clique and we donít want all the other people to be in there because those are ignorant people and weíre better than them...
Justin: Hopefully, you know theyíll be exposed to something thatíll help that ignorance...
Pat: Thereís ideas that when people come in from outside who they get exposed to these ideas and think well maybe thatís a better idea than the one that I had and maybe we should think about that. However, there is another issue with alot of kids because they have a spiky hair cut think that they already know all the answers and donít have to think about it, but all of us need to keep reinventing what we believe and keep our minds open to whatís going on.
What Ďzines do you read that you think fucking rock when it comes to educating someone about political and personal issues that everyone should inform themselves on?
Justin: Which what, sorry?
Pat: ĎZines.
Which Zines....
Justin: Agree To Disagree. Uhm, alot of the Ďzines that I used to like I have issues with and I could name a bunch but Iím not going to, anybody else? Okay, but some that I do like thereís a really good one in Cincinnati called, Used Underwear thatís really good... Thereís another really good one in Florida called Trailer Trash, thereís another really good one in Florida called Scum ĎZine which is really, really good, and then thereís like the biggies...
Pat: Ten Things...
Justin: Well, yeah. And, Fucktooth is a cool one too actually, I like Fucktooth. Then there are the big ones like all the Profane Existence stuff but I donít have to get into that.
What smaller bands do you guys listen to that barely anyone knows about and Where are they from?
Pat: Submission Hold from Vancouver, I love them, they are amazing.
Justin: Actually, Submission Hold is one of my very favorite bands. I love D.B.S. too from Vancouver as a matter of fact. Alot of bands in Vancouver, I like though. Reagan Squad from Pittsburgh, theyíre really awesome. Angry, was it Angry Youth?
Pat: Yeah, Angry Youth.
Justin: Angry Youth from Corona, California are awesome.
Pat: The Unseen from Boston, The Lesser Humans from Cincinnati, Ohio.
Justin: Suck My Ass from Pittsburgh... Press Gang from Pittsburgh...
Pat: Weíll get back to you on that one, if we think of anymore.
Justin: Those are the biggies. Oh, Kid Company from Portsmith, but theyíre not called Kid Company anymore they have a new name. The Useless Fucks are also a really good band from Portsmith, too...
Do you think people on earth have a hard time showing that they like or love a certain person?
Pat: Oh yeah.
Justin: What? I missed the question.
Pat: Whether we think people have a hard time showing that they like or love somebody.
Justin: Well, yeah it is sad, sometimes itís really hard,† because you do certain things because your stubborn or your an idiot or something but you want to do something different, sometimes though your just afraid of how people are going to react to you if you tell them you care about them and stuff, so itís hard.
How did you guys hook up with Nefer Records and D.B.S. for the split CD?
Justin: Well, we saw DBS at Gilman Street over a long time ago and they were really cool, and they were just great guys. We fell in love with them, theyíre awesome. So then we got to talking and they were going on tour about the same time we were so we decided to go out together and then we decided that since we were going to tour together for two months and we really liked each others bands why donít we put out a split CD together so we did. Basically, Nefer Records was managing DBS at the time, and DBS kind of had a deal with Nefer Records so it came out on Nefer Records. But, basically DBS had a falling out with Nefer Records and we werenít exactly impressed with how Nefer Records was conducting business either for particular reasons I wonít go into. Yeah so, we decided not to repress it with Nefer and because Nefer had this deal with DBS we couldnít repress it on our own because I guess they kind of† have some rights over DBSís songs or some bullshit like that. So, thatís the whole story.
Can you guys give us a quick discography and let us know if youíre old releases are still available and if so from where?
Justin: Stuff thatís available is a split seven inch, it was our first seven inch with a really great band from Pittsburgh called, The Bad Genes. Our second seven inch is called Kill Kill Kill. Itís a seven inch EP and thatís still available. Then we did this split with DBS and thatís not available anymore.
Do you know how many they pressed?
Justin: I think a thousand.
Thatís it?
Justin: Yeah.
Holy shit, thatís it.
Justin: We have a split coming out with Against All Authority, we have a split coming out with a band from Japan. We have a full length CD on New Red Archives called Die For The Government.
Which fucking rocks.
Justin: Thank you. We have another full length that will be out within a year and I think thatís it.
Pat: We have a split 12" picture disc...
Awww, right on! On Clearview...
Pat: Coming out on Clearview in six weeks, itís like a split deal thing and hopefully that will be out pretty soon.
Is that a split with two bands or two labels and?
Pat: Itís a split deal with two bands and two labels.
Which labels?
Pat: Itís Six Weeks, Athena from the Dreads label and Clearview and The Dreads on the other side and weíre on one side.
Justin: Any of that stuff, that you want, you can write to us at our Post Office Box which Iím sure will be at the end of this interview, but Iíll tell you right now. Itís A-F Records, PO Box 71266, Pittsburgh PA, 15213 USA.
Okay guys, time to go meet President Bill Clinton any last comments before we do?
Justin: Yo, fuckiní whore... That was to Bill Clinton.
Pat: I think Iíd like to meet Bill Clinton, him and I can talk, weíd chat itíd be nice...
Say your seven inch title.
Justin: Kill Kill Kill! Fuck The Pope!
Pat: Except, we wouldnít have to give him eighteen million dollars to get a tea party with him so we can influence his votes in upcoming issues.
Justin: I think itíd be fun, weíll have his people call our people, weíll call his people weíll set it up, you know itíll be beautiful babe, weíll love it.
Okay, thatís it.
Pat: Thanks alot man, that was great.
Justin: That was great, that was an awesome interview.

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